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Congrats to the Kitten Kaboodle team!

Thank you @VoidKitten for running this. I enjoyed the way you managed to keep the dead chat / Tribal Council engaged and still affecting the outcome, but really not much more of an impact than pure luck.

Curious on your thoughts on what you would have expected to play out differently when you were creating the various roles/gimmicks?

I don't like this, obviously. Mami has to lay down her title

Cactus Jack said:

Do you have previous reasons to scumread any of Seth, Harry, Mankind, and me?

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Just simple process of elimination, and vote history. I can talk myself more strongly into trusting Merlin, Strange and then Sirius more than I can trust anyone else.

Now that you're back and helping (and more than anyone else I understand real life kicking us in the ass sometimes unexpectedly), I feel better reading your recent posts, but everyone should always be skeptical until there are solid deets to go on.

Dr Strange said:

If feasible, I would love to get your take on my question regarding how you read void's actions (in the post aboves where I quoted him and underlined)

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VoidKitten was watching his monitors again when an idea struck him. VK punched a few buttons and continued to watch the monitors satisfied with the adjustments he made.

VoidKitten did what he did best and ran his hands over the dials of his master control unit, while sitting on his throne with a Pepsi in hand. VoidKitten didn’t really like Cactus Jack nor Mick Foley and fired a red laser beam at both of his target, confusing the two of them.


VoidKitten sat on his throne watching the monitors as the battlefield below had people sneaking all around it. VoidKitten laughed and adjusted some settings on the monitors and sat back. “I do love a good battle. It warms the cockles of my heart.”

I wonder if it means that Void was messing with them both - perhaps switching their powers/abilities? The Pepsi makes me think we may see CM Punk coming. Someone suggested bodysnatchers, which I think may mean someone else subbed in for them? Not sure if Cactus can address this

Dr Strange said:

Rhea, I'm trying to ask this question in a way that doesn't get you in trouble, so I'll just say this is not me having a go. I hope you will consider my question, and not read anything in an antagonistic tone.

Outside of voting history, do you feel like there's much potential for you to be able to validate your town status in the next day or two?

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Meant to say I appreciate everyone keeping an open mind.

I was saying that I don't think Cody has been silenced, because he did post more than just his vote. As far as we can tell, his vote has not been taken away. If Cody is not silenced, then why the short antagonistic post? Me calling on Cody to engage more could provide information, and he doesn't seem willing to do so.

I welcome investigation to prove that I am town, and I will be able to help town more going forward. We all have to be cautious about claiming/breadcrumbing as it is against the rules, and a modkill would hurt town even more. I think I have come awfully close as it is.

I regret that have already let my fellow town down too much because of my availability and play, and the attention it has caused on me, when there are scum running amok, either being vocal or sitting back. Probably both.

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So they called cody rotten and noy towny, then said they could yhink about joining cody on you (to cody) and you're basically "this is MORE town. Why would they offer to team with Cody? They're just offering to vote with him. Because they don't like him".

Nothing?

Not even negative 5%?

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I was obviously trying to pull more out of Cody. I really didn't like that short post, it feels like he knows he's been identified and is giving up.

As for who else I think could be scum, I really don't know, so I suspect everyone and I suspect no one. There are reasons to somewhat clear people, and reasons not to trust what people have said, nor what the write up says. There have been games where scum has been able to earn an extra action at night, or to be able to include a fake action in the writeup. Scum would typically want to use a fake action as a frame or to clear one of their own.

We have also had wishes in this game. I wonder if the double kill where Dude killed Mick was a result of a wish, as Jafar said he granted all wishes. I believe that Dude had wished for and been given a gun, but that Void messed with it mechanically to take out the shooter as well. I know this as I had wished to know what someone else had wished for, and found out that "someone" was getting a gun. Since my own wish was messed with because I thought I would find out who wished for it, it only makes sense that the gun wish was also messed with. Unless of course there are other guns out there. Jafar did say our wishes were boring.

I did very much like Harry Dresden's thought that Gargamel could still be rezzed. My thought was that maybe he's coming back, but because of how our bastard mod likes to mess with us, his option to come back is only as a stump.

After Cody and Jade, I think I want to take a look more closely at Seth, Harry, and Cactus/Mankind. Not sure what order on these.

Sirius Black - the fact that you are voting so many different people makes me think you will get something if you meet a certain number of different votes/posts. Or do you have a hidden vote mechanic that only the first, or second or x'th etc. vote you place will be counted? Any other vote you place may show up in the temp talley to give you cover, so if the votes don't match who goes, let's remember this.

Cody, I am not necessarily opposed to joining you on voting Sirius, because I am baffled. But I believe you may be the SK, as others have suggested, and I think your post with no explanation other than "works for me" really smells rotten and not towny. I didn't see a silence restriction on you, but even if there were, you technically posted more than just a vote.

I also don't trust Jade, because of her terrible vote history, and the fact that she's pushing me.

All in all, I have to go with what I think is best for town.

Vote: Cody Rhodes

I think I have narrowed down the obvious in that Merlin is also a part-time cop, and that CWE is a poison doc. I am struggling with who may have other roles other than my own of course.

Dr Strange said:

Well, I'm going back to the simplest analysis.

Dude Love confirms that the first person to jump on Glinda when me and Glinda were tied was town.

I still think that if there was a scum available, they would have made the move and saved Glinda, as we saw that strategy with Glinda and Pug in rapid succession. So they were most likely on the train or AFK.

Going with this currently. Mick is eliminated, and they've popped in to post, but really haven't addressed the questions I've had.

Vote: Rhea

I am also supportive of forcing the SK issue with Cody.

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Weekends are tough for me, and with personal issues late last week I have not put in the time I would have planned to. But I backed off of you as I had a little more time to read a few things and I didn't think it was likely that the only three wagons were all scum. If I understand what you're asking me, that I haven't addressed, is what did you have wrong. Simply, you it wrong when you were suggesting I was mafia. And again, because you shot me, and weren't around, I was way more suspicious of you instead of looking at the others. I thought you were clearly scum, and I fully expected you to come out talking your way out of it, as I had put myself in a spot by misreading earlier. One you started talking, I wasn't going to listen to anything you said because scum will say anything to divert attention off of them. If you ultimately get revealed as scum, then I will tip my cap to you.

I haven't even done the spreadsheeting I expected to have done by now.

Sirius seems okay to me for now, as does Merlin, who appears to be a part-time cop?

Note that I had been suspicious of Glinda because she got the immunity D1. And I also wonder about Cactus Jack being very quiet. He also benefited from D1 votes.

CWE reads to me as a poison nurse or doc, who protected Cactus Jack, but was Cactus Jack silenced today in the process - If that was perhaps a lingering effect of the poison?

I do think that Cody is probably rajah, and may be our SK, but I wonder if he is actually a harmless survivor with a protective bomb. But didn't someone flip with a town motivator role? The actions in the write up point more like mass chaos instead of trustworthy results.

I dislike Jade coming in, felt like she was gloating, after we lost 2 more town today. Her vote history is terrible. Pointing out how close her scum team is?

A lot to catch up on here.

Despite the fact that he tried to kill me, and tried to convince everyone I am scum (that's what you're wrong about, Dr.), now that we see that both counter trains to his lynch in Glinda and Pug flipped red, I am convinced that Strange is town. I don't think it was likely that all three wagons were scum.

Me tunnelling Strange was a mistake, and I think scum saw an opportunity to pile on, hoping to save one of their own. This has been the most confusing game to me, especially since I have not been able to spend the time to understand a lot of what has gone on.

I wondered about this - The clue is: Once gone, you may discover someone or something that was lost.
Then, Violina takes Harry Potter away to run errands, and Tribal Council is done. Harry can take someone with him to do the errands - so I wonder if this means that Harry or someone else returns.

I thought Mazer was dead, since he flipped. I am surprised to see the interaction with Psycho. Given the clue above, I wonder if this means Psycho is having a chat with Mazer. When I had been killed for a brief period last week, I do remember Void's warning that the Tribal Council was an active thread and caution should be taken about spoiling. If Psycho is talking to Mazer, scum will know whatever was discussed in Tribal Council.

Mankind doesn't trust me and I don't trust him back. He cut the day short and Jafar got taken out early. But this also makes me believe that that, since I have Strange is town, that Mankind is probably town as well. Reason being that if Mankind were scum, he would have joined on the Strange train before he ended the day. Then again, he could have just had his team mates on Jafar, who we know flipped green. And if stasis is removed, I hope that means we will get immediate flips.

I am guessing that a lot of us have JOAT roles. Since Merlin is essentially claiming something I knew, and the listening devices that Insaner has been putting around, I am guessing that either Merlin is EN cop, or he learned deets from a message intended for someone else. Sharing this makes me feel Merlin is town.

So I have Strange, Merlin, and Harry Potter as town. I will update my sheet to see what else I come up with

Sorry, looks like Void corrected that

VoidKitten said:

Day 4 Vote Count:

Rhea - 1 (Mankind #1259)
Dr. Strange - 1 (Rhea Ripley #1316)
Mick Foley - 1 (Sirius Black #1318)
Jafar - 1 (Jade Cargill #1346)

Not Voting: Cactus Jack, Cody Rhodes, Dr Strange, Dude Love, Harry Dresden, Harry Potter, Jafar, Merlin, Mick Foley, Seth Rollins #1300

It is now Day 4. Day 4 will end at 1:00pm ET (GMT-4) on Apr 1th or when majority is reached. If majority is not reached by the end of the day, the player with the most votes will be eliminated. With 14 players alive, the majority is 8 votes on a single player.

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Heading into a meeting and haven't read everything since last night, but I am not sure I understand the last line - is it possible that none ot today's votes will count, because of the time warp?

I am not sure I buy Dr. Strange's argument, because he has got many of his facts wrong. Strange killed me, and then didn't explain himself until today.

Like many of us, this was an exceptionally difficult weekend trying to fit much of this in along with everything else. This week has only gotten worse time wise.

I am not sure about his "I was silenced" argument but Strange has had a long time to come up with it, and I will grant that while far-fetched, it is at least plausible. That is, if Void is a forgiving type of mod who would not immediately terminate someone for a violation. I also will admit that I liked the part about turning off discord notifications when traveling with relatives - thought that was a nice touch.

I admitted that I misread the part about Mazer, as I first read it, quickly looking at the line above and seeing red. But trying to sus me for changing a vote from sleep (post 438) to another train that had nobody on it at the time, really bugs me. We can learn stuff from who voted where, but don't forget the when.

And let's be clear, Dr. Strange suggesting that I changed my reasons for voting him is just a horrible look. OMGUS because you killed Mami! This means it's time for you to meet your JUDGEMENT DAY.

Let's not forget that the one player most of us seems confident is town, based on the deets shared about Mazer, is Gargamel, who is also voting for Strange.

I would like to focus on the rest of the actions last night, but I promised the missus that I would water the plants, dust and mop the floors while she is recovering. If she is laid up, I don't want her looking around at everything around the house that needs to be done - she is likely to find more expensive projects to add to the list.

I don't see any great reason to move off of here

Vote: Dr Strange

I don't have a lot of time nor brain power, and I don't know if I will make it back before the end of day, so

Vote: Strange

I hope this is not just OMGUS for shooting me / killing me without explanation, then disappearing. It's just that right now, I trust Gargamel more than anyone and he's voting here.

I think it is quite likely that we have multiple scum trains at the moment, because according to my scribbles there are a probably baddies left.

The lack of flips makes this difficult, and we don't know a lot, but I'd like to get opinions on everyone's top 2 trusts (for me, it's Gargamel, then probably Sirius), and bottom 2 aka threats (Strange, then I can't decide whether maybe Pug over Glinda).

My wife is back from the ER, and while she is still in some pain, they have ruled out a blood clot nor a dangerous cyst. I will be playing nurse and housekeeper for a bit so hopefully I won't be dead again when I come back.

talk his way out

First, I am distracted as my wife is in the ER at the moment, as her physical therapist sent her there when she had a leg cramp that they think may be a clot or something. She is awaiting an ultrasound, and is bored. I appreciate everyone's kind thoughts.

Anyway I did not get a chance to read more than a little of the Tribal Council thread before it got closed on me. I think I can share that Shiro and Nightengale are the two originals in Tribal Council, and that Badger was Heyman and that they were astonished that we didn't notice Heyman had been killed. I know I had thought it was the silencer action. Badger was sad that we didn't even notice he was gone.

I am not complaining about not being able to read more of the Tribal Council thread - I would most certainly prefer to be here.

I am guessing that Strange figured there was a little sus on me so he shot me thinking he could talk his was out when I flip green.

Holy crap, there's a lot in between when I quoted and when I hit post reply

Gargamel said:

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@Rhea Ripley What did you mean about sleep being what scum wants? Where did that thought process come from? And why did you choose to vote Final Boss over anyone else?

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Simple answer is that while I was out and about doing my real life activities, I checked in and realized that scum would prefer that we don't vote anyone out, which is our only way to get rid of them. They'll do their actions at night. I took a chance to vote FInal Boss, as not only I didn't like the D1 late vote surge, I also realized that getting people to vote somewhere is how we will learn, if not today, then certainly later.

I certainly didn't feel super strongly about TFB, but there was enough there to make me place a vote, hoping to see who else would join, and what their thoughts were.

Can you share how you know that someone on scum has an iron collar? I didn't see that in the write up.

Gargamel said:

Any other slots you feel uneasy about?

Thoughts on Cody Rhodes?

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Didn't like that Cody fired at you, after you claimed deets.

Sirius Black said:

Well, I don't have a reason to be against Rhea getting shot. So yeah, it's possible that they slipped.

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Sorry I have been away. Obviously I don't want to get shot.

Since real life stuff has gotten incredibly hairy, I just missed that from the write up. It said Mazer made a choice, and the color right above it was Kaboodle in red.

Boston was not nearly as quiet as it was when night first began as various combatants trolled the streets looking to push The Corporation and Kitten Kaboodle forward. One person, who really didn’t have a stake in this, as both sides thought him missing, was Mazer. He had been lonely for quite some time, preferring to strike out on his own. He knew the land and had the smarts to ensure his survival.

But this time was different. He couldn’t just stand alone, he didn't think. No. He needed allies. Mazer had met with Listo and Foxxi and listened to both of them, both praises and threats. But he knew where his true heart lie. He had to join The Corporation and help his friends end the madness of VoidKitten. But the power of the Kitten Kaboodle was fearsome. He had no idea what to do, so he sat down and thought about it.

Finally, Mazer made his decision and set out to seal the deal, as he was now a part of a team and no longer alone.

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I just presumed he chose red because I know I simply can't trust anyone. If I knew for sure that Mazer was red, why would I post that if I were scum, when there's a possibility to continue to spread confusion?

I guess I can see how it might look like I blurted out TMI, but it's really not the case. .Since Void mentioned there are multiples of each role, someone else should be able to investigate me. Right now, the only person I mostly trust is Gargamel, who it seems is claiming direct knowledge of what happened with Mazer. Unless there's a counter claim, once Mazer flips, we will be sure about Gargamel.

But I still have a lot of catching up to do, but so far it seems like scum has done well keeping us confused. That usually happens early with hiding action and mass role blocks.

In a game this size, I am guessing that we probably started with 4-5 red, with a SK and the possibility of recruiting others. I am not sure I buy Glinda as being town, because she won 3 day immunity, and scum would have been able to control that. I have also been skeptical of The Final Boss (who was killed by green Knee).

We have lost Heyman so far. The others are to be revealed. If Tribal Council is the group who decides who to give wish granting powers to, then having Mazer and possibly one or more of The Final Boss, Glinda, or Palp on there concerns me.

Vote: Final Boss

I realized that voting sleep is what scum wants. I didn't like the rapid growth of their train yesterday

I have some real life activity that will make it hard if not impossible for me to be around until Monday. Maybe I will be able to pop in for a couple min late at night, but since day ends at 8PM, I want to get my vote in. I think Void warned us about not voting, and there may be consequences for not voting going forward.
The writeup also mentioned that there are two people already in Tribal Council - which makes me wonder what is going on there? Did Void manage to get subs lined up in case they are needed? Everyone should try to get a vote in today.

We can't vote for Glinda nor Cactus Jack.

I would have thought there'd be more details to the write up with so many people playing. Good news is that we didn't lose anyone yet. I get that we can't break any rules about claiming, but it doesn't look like we have any deets to go on either. So this is a rajah style game, and this seems like D1 where we don't know anything, but with the anonymity now in place, it is even harder to read anyone. I am going to Vote: VOTE SLEEP so we don't lose anyone as scum has the advantage here.

I have no idea what the puzzle/clue void left about
"Coined a well phrased term"

As for the wishes, I don't have a preference as I suck at these - but our wish granter wants it spicy, and I'd like it to be something we can learn from.

So, I wish for a random wrestler be given a gun to be used before end of day 3 on a wizard, and similarly for a random wizard to be given a gun that can only be used on a wrestler before end of day 3 - and if one of these guns is not used, the recipient is sent to Tribal Council. I am excluding Mazer as I think he is neither a wizard nor a wrestler, plus it seems he got recruited by the reds. Not sure if the mod would approve this, but it seems like on its face it would not negatively affect balance

If the wish is granted, this might be a way to see wrestlers' opinions of wizards, and versa-visa.

I would appreciate thoughts/discussion. But as I came up with this, I think it could certainly be spicy.

VoidKitten said:

Starting today, if there is a tie in an elimination vote, Violina will break the tie.

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This is very interesting, as I presume Void will be using a random draw, which could be better for us than just letting scum sit back and control the outcome. Would forcing multiple ties for 3rd place be our best chance to catch a scum today?

Sirius Black said:

Ripley looks like one of those death eaters

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Listen, you animagus Dog, I get you may have post-traumatic stress from your days in Azkaban, but don't hold it against me just because I look better wearing dark eyeshadow than you could ever do. And with my dark lipstick, I probably resemble Ms. Lestrange to you.

I do agree with you that it is probably more likely than not that town loses one of our own today.

Mick Foley said:

i think that maybe the people that voted first are townie, because scum would be more careful and worried if their vote looks as outing

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Have you voted? I don't neccessarily disagree with your post about scum having an advantage in potentially controlling the outcome by working together late to prevent us from getting immunity, as I inquired about the same thing earlier. But since they have information that we don't, we're just voting blind. Are you holding back to ensure you're protecting your teammates? Or are you happy with the leaders?

Sabrina Spellman said:

No. It is going to be hard to read people in general especially anyone that is doing role play during the first day phase. Whoever is doing the all caps is annoying but that is not really a read.

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I agree with the teenage witch about it being hard to read anyone doing role play on D1. However, I guess I did kind of feel good about Dud (sorry about that) Dude Love. Cactus has been vocal but entertaining, completely in character, so I don't know if I would trust him or any other face of Foley.

Maybe I had the colors wrong, if we think Violina is not actually a character, but one of the Foleys could be green, another red, while the other two are the yellows Rajah (a SK?) and Mazer (a jester?). Cactus Jack has sounded like a SK with his threats against the other Foleys and then all the wizards, but if he was a SK, he'd be pretty dense to do all that. Is he really R-Truth?

I'd like to hear from Cody Rhodes, if he's medically cleared yet. Harry Potter must be wearing his invisibility cloak

Dr Strange said:

This "sirius" guy looks Hagrid and says he's your uncle. I don't think it's your real godfather.

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Harry's real godfather is a dog. A big black dog. Could be mistaken for a Grim.

Dude Love said:

The fact that every other wrestler has their ring name but these two are just wrestler nicknames that could easily not be referring to the wrestlers, is significant, I believe.

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Notice that The Final Boss is a player, while The Rock is a villain character.

Dr Strange said:

which of the Foleys is the best?

Which is the worst?

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I am kinda disappointed that Mrs. Foley's Baby Boy didn't get the shout out. And Mr. Socko was OVER
Santa Foley is both the best and the worst.

Dude Love said:

It looks like self-votes are being counted. We aren't sure if there is some hidden consequence for self-voting, but for now let's assume there's not. If everyone was to self-vote for one of their votes, and get paired off with another player, who would then vote for each other with the second vote, we'd all come in tied for first, and in the event of uneven pairs, the lone player self-votes and doesn't use their second vote, and comes in second.

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I think I understand what you're suggesting, but I am not sure I agree. I think Void uses the post number as the tiebreaker.

That being said, I like that you're thinking about ways to protect town, and since I don't really know anything about anyone else, I'll agree with Harry and

Vote: Dud Love

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Because of this, I suspect we may end up putting the votes placed close to EOD under a microscope, cause that is prime real estate for some scum vote manip.

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Despite my first impression of your reply to me earlier , I kind of like this one from you (as it mirrors what I was thinking). The late voters will unquestionably earn themselves attention. So I was wondering if there's any way that we can maximize our chances of catching scum voting shenanigans? Is it better if we have more people with votes on them, or fewer trains?

When it says sleep is not an option, does not voting mean the same thing? I suspect that our mod will have something planned to deal with anyone who doesn't participate.

Is voting for youself, as The Final Boss did, not the same thing as self-targeting, which would seem to violate Rule 8?

Glinda said:

I dont think you need any help, as you are over with the majority loving Mami. I think its best if you leave DomDom in the back. You dont need any outside help to maintain your dominance over the women's division like Roman needs to hold onto his titles.

Or are you looking for some help for DomDom?

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No, I think you missed my point. How come your green sister Elphaba has been left off? I was suggesting maybe you were Wicked.

No one mourns the Wicked.

Especially in this game, at least. Sounds like the Tribal Council is kind of an un-dead zone, so does that mean we occasionally won't get flips?

12. As a reminder, when you are eliminated or killed you will be sent to Tribal Council which takes place in Discord. Tribal Council has a large effect on the game and there may be ways to get back into the game from Tribal Council. Tribal Council is a LIVE game thread so while you shoot the shit with the other eliminated players, be careful of what you reveal if you wish it to stay secret.

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To address the roughly half of the game who are non-wrestlers, but magical/mumbo jumbo characters, can any of you provide mystical fortune-telling/divination, and give Mami some inclination as to who to vote for?\

Glinda - I thought your name was Galinda. Are you able to help anyone become Pop-u-lar? Judging from the reactions I got in my home country, and whenever I leave DomDom in the back, the pops I get from any crowd are deafening.

I find everyone who doesn't watch wrestling suspicious.

I will defeat "The Man" at Mania. I am the most DOMINANT woman in the world. Anyone see the stinkface I put on Nia Jax?

Cactus, don't forget about Dude Love. Under those mirror sunglasses, his face looks a lot like yours. And I think Mankind resembles you as well.

Merlin said:

Why is your name Sirius but you have a picture of Dumbledore?

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I thought the pic was of Hagird

Mami is confused, but Mami is always on top.

First thing I noticed is that there are four colours appearing so far in the write up. And there are 4 versions of Mick Foley/Dude Love/Mankind/Cactus Jack. Coincidence?